You are just saying racism does not exist.
Boy, first Fox News, now this! Some serious decoding going on in this thread.
So because I....
1 - Think production and character were the largest contributing factors to Phillies roster building decisions
2 - Don't think race was the primary reason for the fan base's sentiments towards Rollins / Utley
3 - Don't think Phillies management of today should be judged through the lens you view their predecessors...
.....I'm "just saying" racism does not exist?
Sheesh, if you weren't putting words in other people's mouths, what would you have to say!
Here's what I am saying - today, the Phillies organizational decision making is primarily based on production, character and relationships - and it's a real shame that when we sign one of the best players in the world and are set to field one of our best teams ever that you have fans opining the racial makeup of the team and using that to project undeserved platitudes on the organization.
I do not believe that race is a contributing factor - although I obviously acknowledge that it was in the past, as it was for many other sports organizations as well.
But you tossed in a bunch of isolated examples that really mean nothing.
As if casually referencing minor league discipline for latino players as de facto proof of organizational racism actually means something?
I'm fairly certain Odubel, Jalen Hurts and Carson Wentz - and their various situations - all touch upon aspects of this conversation and argue against some of the things you're saying about Philadephia fans and Phillies management.
I am sure they don't consciously take it into account, but I am betting they were thinking Philly fans would take to Harper (14.8 WAR the past 4 years) more than Machado (17.6 WAR the past 4 years) if they were going to hand out a $300 million deal.
From everything I have read and heard on the topic from people (allegedly) in the know, the Phillies organizational preference was originally Machado because he played a premium defensive position - obviously, Harper ended up as a Phillie instead. Your bet probably wouldn't have paid out.
.....And in hindsight, the Phillies are better for it because Harper is a better fit for the city - and it has everything to do with his personality and what he's accomplished here (on the field and off of it with recruiting) and nothing to do with the color of his skin.
The popularity of players like Dykstra compared to Abreu among the average fan.
I wonder if Bobby Abreu being the "star" player on teams that exclusively lost year after year had anything to do with fan favoritism. Abreu was a really good player - but you play to win the game. He was the poster boy for a losing organization.
If Abreu hit .300 on the '93 Phils while regularly churning out quotes that served as chum for fans, I think it might be a different story.
I mean, nobody in this town thinks that fondly of Chooch, right?
The reason to like Chase was not his gritty style of play.
You can think whatever you'd like (and I don't disagree) - but still it doesn't change the fact that people did like and identify with Chase because of that. A lot of people - it was the most apparent part of his game to casual observers (and even gained him a cult following in LA too).
I will also predict that it will probably be more difficult for Hurts to get a top end QB deal than it was for Wentz.
This is what I mean when I say chasing ghosts that aren't there.
I can't even understand this line of thinking in a world where certified creep DeShaun Watson just signed a fully-guaranteed $250M deal. It's not as if the Eagles didn't pay McNabb top dollar when his turn was up, either.
This is going to go the way of your Harper / Machado bet.
The Eagles will do the exact same thing they did with Wentz - try to lock up a franchise QB on as team friendly of a deal as possible. In fact, when the Eagles signed Wentz, it was heralded amongst "NFL Insiders" as being a brilliant deal - locking up a 'franchise QB' talent on a relatively team-friendly deal.