You repeatedly and generally invoke nonsense like "language of Fox News" without citing any specific language while accusing me of claiming "racism doesn't exist" - and I'm the one twisting words and missing the point?
Boy, that's so rich I think I just got a cavity!
I literally took your own words and responded to them, point by point, and you pivot back to this word soup instead of engaging on specific discussion items that you brought up - AKA "cherry picked examples".
I'm clearly not the only one who sees it - Austinfan called you out for stretching reality to fit your perspective too.
But to keep things consistent, I'll engage on merit with what you've said:
A. Somebody noted that the Phillies lineup was virtually all white.
Yeah.....not quite - we're already off to a banger of a start. It was certainly a bit different than "Gosh, the Phillies have an all-white lineup. Anyways - I'm psyched for the season!"
The entire reason I posted was because this was NOT the case. Simply acknowledging an obvious physical reality is not exactly interesting or noteworthy.
B. It was also noted that there is a significant history of racism in the Phillies organization and all that history is not ancient (mainly in the treatment of Latin American players).
There's no denying that, but it also isn't what I took issue with - moreso you stating your subjective opinions as facts, like:
The criticism was much harsher because he was not white.
Crawford had some injury issues, but when healthy he was behind Kingery when playing time at SS was available. There had also been several years of whispers about his effort and his celebrity or hotdogging within the clubhouse.
Abreu WAS criticized harshly. Crawford WAS behind Kingery. Nobody is debating that.
But it's reductive and insulting to just paint those scenarios with the brush of casual racism or unconscious bias when there are other, legitimate reasons that could also explain them - especially when the only supporting argument seems to be "these things happened in the past".
This of course leads to your posts which imply that I am saying the Phillies and all their fans (us!!!!) are all racist.
No, not racist (remember, I don't believe it exists) - but I do think your arguments are misguided and that you're displaying the same unconscious bias (or perhaps it is conscious) you accuse present Phillies management of possibly harboring.
Take your implication that the Phillies were unfairly discriminating against latin players with a separate system of discipline - is there anything material to suggest that behavior was race-based as opposed to just managing the behavior of individuals on a case by case basis?
That sort of implication - short of actual evidence - could reflect that. Like I said, I'm not familiar with these claims, so you could be entirely correct in your implication....but it could be an unfair criticism as well.
C. I said explicitly that the Phillies were not consciously using race in their individual transactions, but also allowed the possibility that unconscious racism of getting players to "fit the city" might have been a small factor.
And I don't think racial bias has anything to do with the Phillies roster building moves.
For goodness sake, how does one even prove "unconscious racism"! This is what I mean by a snake eating it's tail - constantly looking out for a boogieman that you can't prove is in the room to begin with and we are seeing it at work in this thread.
Posters here are focusing on the "problematic" racial makeup of the team - one even found themselves hoping for the team to sign inferior players just to increase diversity. Pure insanity, but you're not seeing that.
I entirely agree with Julio when he said this:
I have to observe that the fundamental problem here is less what the Phillies may be doing than the fact that too many of us look at a player (or any other person) and see race. We don't see a person; we see a black person, or a white person, or a hispanic person, or an asian person, etc. We profess to want to end racism... but we're contributing to it, because we continue to categorize people by their appearance.
What do fans and management like? Winning, character & effort. If you check those boxes, Philadelphia fans will adore you regardless of skin color.
This is why I referenced Chooch and Jalen Hurts....although those are just a convenient "cherry picked examples", whereas you seemingly think citing Kingery, Crawford and Abreu fit into a different category, for some reason.