Pat Neshek Traded to Colorado for Three Minor League Players

Austinfan 2017-07-27 04:13:28 UTC #23

Unfortunately, we don't get that choice.
Remember, Klentak wanted a legitimate prospect for Hellickson last year, probably was offered simllar deals and gambled on the comp pick and this season rather than settle.
With Neshak, there was nothing to gamble, after a week of listening to offers, I suspect this was easly the best choice available.

nycphils 2017-07-27 04:19:38 UTC #24

This board is something. Don't wait and overplay your hand...don't go early and fail to hold out for something better. The Goldilocks trade is tough to come by for guys like we've had to trade this year and last.

And by the way everyone is so eager to indict klentak already but undoubtedly Andy McPhail is involved in these decisions. Which one of you geniuses is going to say he doesn't know what he's doing or is too green to know how to negotiate?

andyb 2017-07-27 04:23:08 UTC #25

Reading more about Hammer and BA does have him in the mid 90s. No good second pitch at this point.

Probably agree with you that it is only a little less than expected. Still wondering if Klentak should have done better. Neshek is really good. Just not that durable.

Squire 2017-07-27 04:24:42 UTC #26

Also I would point out that Gomez's splits are better on the road than at home so it's not the Asheville park I think.

bigegypt0417 2017-07-27 04:24:48 UTC #27

law...

Squire 2017-07-27 04:27:59 UTC #28

Jeez I said that he got back about 95 percent of what I thought he'd get back. Hardly the stinging criticism.

nycphils 2017-07-27 04:28:48 UTC #29

Not directed at you...sorry.

Squire 2017-07-27 04:33:17 UTC #30

All good.

Anyway, I like Gomez the more I look at his stats/Splits. It ain't easy to put up an .800 OPS in the SAL

nycphils 2017-07-27 04:41:37 UTC #31

Seems to me this is the equivalent of an older but better performing Jonathan Arauz, Alberto Tirado and a slightly better Mauricio Llovera. Seems reasonable for Neshek to me.

zambonir 2017-07-27 04:46:39 UTC #32

I'd be willing to say McPhail doesn't know that much, he hasn't been hands-on in baseball for a long time. But I also want to believe he lets his GM do his job. So sure, he probably had Klentak's back when it came to the dance, w/o having a single opinion about the players being offered.

I think they want depth more than a single better player because we're going to see five or six or even 10 Phillies minor leaguers traded to other teams between now and November of 2019.

(My comment about them not waiting long enough was tongue-in-cheek, btw. A response to those who think they waited too long).

phillychuck 2017-07-27 06:32:35 UTC #33

There are very few things that get my dander up, but complaints like this are one of them. "This board" posts are one of them. This board does not have an opinion. It's composed of about 100 posters who very frequently, continuously disagree with each other. You don't believe me, read the threads. Don't base your criticism on some fictitious idea of what "this board" expects.

I'll give you a specific target here--me. If you have an asset, you have to trade it for value. Wait a long time, be the first in the game, I don't care, just get something useful back. Organizational filler is not value, and these three guys are organizational filler, not even lottery tickets based on multiple years of professional performance. I don't know what the "other" offers out there were, but similar, rent-a-reliever talent got seemingly better return. I'd give the trade about a D+, it's main benefit being it clears a 40-man spot for two months. I just don't see how any of these guys plays effectively above AA, and we have to protect them after next season from the rule 5 draft if they are any good anyway, so they don't help the long-term 40-man crunch that much. Let's see if any of them proves me wrong--I'd love to be mistaken.

fish 2017-07-27 09:04:56 UTC #34

They are all young enough, that a couple of low A lottery tickets were all I was hoping for. Asheville stats are so hard to know what do do with though.

phillychuck 2017-07-27 10:00:39 UTC #35

fish, I don't think they are even lottery tickets. They have enough history that they've shown what they can't do. Organizational filler IMHO; hope to be proven wrong.

andyb 2017-07-27 10:40:48 UTC #36

Gomez does not have much power so the park probably helps him less - but this still does not mean the park did not help him. He just may be playing better or luckier on the road.

I like the fact that he can hit. Different profile from our lower minors guys like Brito (who is more balanced and good defensively). Strong arm might mean he will be a decent multi-position utility guy down the road who can play LF and RF and 3B. Ty Wigginton with a little higher batting average but less power?

andyb 2017-07-27 10:43:34 UTC #37

ESPN gives the trade a B- grade on the Phillies end. Kind of where I am. Which the players had a little better toolset and projection, or at least one of them.

allentown 2017-07-27 11:52:54 UTC #38

I like those comps and I'd take that deal, but then I like the Tirado gamble more than most. The other interesting point is that Neshek says he'd like to come back to Philly next season.

Austinfan 2017-07-27 12:07:35 UTC #39

This was basically the Swarzak for Cordyell trade.
Except the Phillies got 3 players who don't have to be protected instead of one 25 year old player.
Cordyell was ranked #17, Gomez #21 for their respective teams by MILB.
Both project to be utility players. Cordyell has more power, Gomez more versitility

Hammer is the senior starter converted to RP that we do all the time, long-shot who's basically a throw-in.
Requena is the lottery ticket, LA pitcher who may have upside, has good control and is pitching well at age 20 in A ball.

donaldorc 2017-07-27 12:14:45 UTC #40

Not that he likes Philadelphia as much as he hates Colorado. What pitcher would want to be traded there?

bigegypt0417 2017-07-27 12:55:17 UTC #41

One of the players will need to be protected...

nycphils 2017-07-27 13:04:13 UTC #42

The reason I am prepared to give Klentack the benefit of the doubt until more evidence is in regarding his tenure is fundamental – unlike Amaro and Wade before him I am confident that whatever choices he is making are being done based on considering ALL of the available evidence, both scouting and analytical. When Amaro or Wade would make a move that looked foolish the fact was it was much more likely to actually BE foolish because he was operating without half the available information - and willfully blind to it out of stubbornness and/or ego.

I think that's a huge difference. The likelihood that there are clearly better deals available and Klentak is too stupid to take them seems unlikely. It may be that the evaluations turn out incorrect, but I think we are not giving these people enough credit for their basic comprehension skills.