Eagles 2025-26 Offseason and pre-Season

[dicemen99]

I'm with Lego on this. I'm not sure what league you guys have been watching over the last decades. Guys come in all the time and flash. These hypotheticals are the most Philly (and everywhere else the fandom is manic) thing ever.

I'm happy we have McKee as our backup QB and that he continues to develop. But there are loads of guys that have had a couple of OK games against bad teams, and a couple of good games in the preseason. That is all McKee has under his belt. It's crazy talk to think that teams are going to line up and give up a boatload of picks for him.

If McKee becomes a starting QB, he will start to regularly face teams of quality with a DC that will be able to create a game plan based on facing him. I don't really want that to happen while he's on the Eagles. We've already got a guy at the helm that has demonstrated the ability to be a consistent winner under those conditions and there are very few of those guys in the NFL.

Nick Foles had six years in the league, including a season where he threw 27 TDs against 2 INTs when he caught lightning in a bottle for two games (if you recall, he wasn't lightning the world on fire in the other games). And that was kind of who he was his whole career. He would catch fire for brief periods and then be really ordinary for much longer stretches. And McKee hasn't shown he is even Foles at this point.

[VoteForKalas]

I think the league GMs are smarter today about those types of transactions too.

Gone are the days we could get a 1st rd pick for Bradford or a 2nd for Feeley or 2nd plus a starting CB for Kolb.

Roseman clearly wants to be a QB factory because there can be value to the team in multiple ways, but I would doubt a team is going to give a 1st for McKee unless they are super desperate.

[phillychuck]

I’m getting seriously concerned about people’s reading comprehension in this thread. NO ONE HAS PROPOSED TRADING HURTS AND GOING WITH MCKEE!!!!

Do all caps help?

The conversation started with a hypothetical (look it up if you don’t know) discussion of McKee’s trade value, and an academic (look it up) discussion, intended humorously of Hurts’ possible value if he were to be traded, WHICH NO ONE WANTS!!! It’s interesting message board discussion to speculate what great players might be worth in draft picks if they were on the market. What could the Chiefs get for Mahomes, for example? That’s all we are doing here, is speculating on value. In a hypothetical world. Not real. No one wants to trade him. Literally, no one.

And for those calling my misinterpreted ideas the most Philly things ever, thanks for the compliment. I’m proud of being Philly. Check the alias...!!

[dicemen99]

Chuck, to be fair, you did open with stating that you legitimately think there is a debate about whether McKee is a better passer than Hurts is, but then switched to jokingly asking what his trade value was!

I know your posts now, and I agree you are sooooo Philly. And, yes, I give that as a compliment. I have been in Philly my whole life, although at my age, I am way less manic than I used to be.

The only thing I don't like about your Eagles posts is that half of them seem lifted from BLG on BGN or Kempski at PV (they run the same exact stories every day, so it could be either). That guy could not analyze his way out of a paper bag. He's supposedly spent 10 years covering the Eagles and has yet to learn anything about football or develop any contacts in the organization or the NFL that would yield valid information. Bloggers masquerading as reporters. He knows something about today's media, though.

[phillychuck]

Passer, not QB. McKee is very accurate, has a 90% NFL arm (better than Hurts’), and is very consistently precise with ball placement, better than Hurts at hitting receivers in stride. Hurts is more accurate on deep balls (which is his strongest suit), and is many times a better leader and runner, making him a far better QB.

I follow all the podcasts, and, since I can’t see practice, the beat writers and podcasts are all I have to form an opinion until they have games I can see. Do you get to see the practices? I’m jealous! I try to follow people who know their stuff like Fran Duffy, Zach, Bo, Kapadia, and, believe it or not, Kempski knows his football pretty well.

[LegoDoom]

At this point in the season it is working on things and vanilla anything in preseason games (which for some reason Cincy was taking seriously).

It means nothing except for the last roster spots.... and certainly not why McKee is worth a boatload of picks.

[LegoDoom]

Nobody is curious why Jake Elliott was a holder on a FG? These games mean nothing.

[phillychuck]

If Elliott were to injure his leg during a game, and DeJean were not able to hold, Elliott would be the next back-up. So they ran a practice rep in the game. No one is claiming these games mean anything, why are you harping on that point?

[zambonir]

ESPN [and former BGN] guy.

[LegoDoom]

If Elliott were to injure his leg during a game, and DeJean were not able to hold, Elliott would be the next back-up. So they ran a practice rep in the game. No one is claiming these games mean anything, why are you harping on that point?

Probably because you are saying why McKee is worth a lot of picks after a game that means nothing and is throwing to wide open receivers.

If Elliot wasn't able to kick, then I'd probably just go for every 4th down.

[phillychuck]

The initial comment on McKee was a jest. “Boatload of picks” is clearly hyperbole.

Right now, the consensus of beat writers is that they wouldn’t trade McKee for a second, but they would consider it for a first.

McKee went against the Bengals’ defense playing 9 starters/rotation players. Both teams played a vanilla scheme. McKee handled that situation remarkably well. He has also looked good in his limited reps vs NFL teams in-season last year and in pre-season last year. For many NFL teams that have a sub-par QB, McKee may be a better option than a drafted QB next year, even a first-rounder. If that is true. those teams should consider trading. Based on two years’ worth of evidence, including last night.

McKee made two elite throws, the TD to Cooper, and the underneath route, also to Cooper, on 4th down. He made several throws that analytics services rated as very good, too, the back shoulder to Wilson down the left sideline, and the streak route, again to Wilson, down the right sideline over the CB. WE, and teams, have to evaluate those throws to get an idea of how good McKee might be. It’s all the evidence we have right now. And if you watched, he didn’t just throw to wide open receivers.

NFL teams ain’t that smart, sometimes they miss good QBs...both McKee and Brady were drafted in the 6th round. Purdy was drafted last overall. Brady had to sit behind Drew Bledsoe, and only got to start because Bledsoe got hurt. Maybe the Saints will trade for McKee and he’ll be a good starter. Who knows? But right now the only real evidence supports him being more than competent.

You seem intent on saying anyone who believes McKee might be good is a dope. Why?

[LegoDoom]

I have no idea what other teams will give up for McKee, but I personally wouldn't give up a first rounder for him.

You are throwing around a lot of anomalies, which is fine, but that's why they were drafted where they were. Tanner is 25. If you are another team, would you trade a first rounder for him? What team do you think would do that deal?

Wait, did you just say the Saints? You picked the team with the overall pick and tied to a Manning bloodline? Ok, sure.

[phillychuck]

Cleveland, Baltimore, Giants, Jets, Saints, Steelers, Seahawks, and Raiders would have to consider it. Solak’s graph above gives an idea which teams might think about it. Where does their first round pick end up? What QBs aer around then? Who comes out next year? If I somehow would be able to pick Arch Manning or Nussmeier I’d take a shot at them. If the best QB on the board is Drew Allar, I’d have to consider McKee. Keep in mind that “insiders” are reporting NO has already offered a second rounder for McKee to the Eagles.

[LegoDoom]

It is irrelevant if other teams starter is worse than McKee. It's what other teams have invested.

For instance, there is a very slim chance that Carolina moves on from Bryce... I don't care what that chart says.

NYG just drafted Dart. It does not matter if McKee is better.

[Patchmk88]

Would Baltimore be trading for him as a back-up? I can't imagine the team with possibly the best player on the planet would trade a high draft pick for a back-up.

Edit: I'm guessing you probably meant Indianapolis in your post.

[LegoDoom]

I could maybe see Indy, but they already have a lot invested in AR15 and pick in the top 10.... it's just not happening.

[dicemen99]

Keep in mind that “insiders” are reporting NO has already offered a second rounder for McKee to the Eagles.

This is Philly sports radio at its best. A bunch of bloggers are all over the interwebs speculating what McKee might be worth and what teams could be interested in him morphs into some guys talking about it on an-all sports radio station morphs into chuck posting on this board that insiders are saying the Saints offered a 2nd round pick.

Please tell me what insider is saying this. Who is on the record? Anyone like Adam Shefter? Anyone with any NFL credentials at all?

[LegoDoom]

I could actually kill this with one text, but would never post it.

[dicemen99]

I follow all the podcasts, and, since I can’t see practice, the beat writers and podcasts are all I have to form an opinion until they have games I can see. Do you get to see the practices? I’m jealous! I try to follow people who know their stuff like Fran Duffy, Zach, Bo, Kapadia, and, believe it or not, Kempski knows his football pretty well.

No, I don't get to see practices. And even if I did, neither I, nor any other reporters could really form a valid opinion on a player's status unless they were inside the Novacare, breaking down replays of the all-22.

You are forming opinions based on a bunch of guys under pressure to churn out blurbs 24/7 because of the ravenous appetite of all the fans. This leads to guys on BGN watching practice and reporting everything that caught their eye without much, if any, context from the guys that count. Every play is recorded, but only what they think might be interesting to a fan.

Credible info comes from sources who ARE inside the organization, who ARE breaking down the all-22, who ARE charting things that don't show up in the scrimmage portions of the practices, who ARE privvy to the mindset of the guys making the decision. That usually leaks out slowly over the course of a training camp to the guys who are wired in. But nowadays, instead, what we have is guys churning out hot takes every time a WR makes a good catch or drops an easy ball.

[zambonir]

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