Sixers 2017 Offseason

[zambonir]

If Ball is there I presume the Sixers will take him, but will he be Sixers property for 30 seconds, five minutes, or for real?

But if the Lakers don't take him, his father may want him to never-ever play for the Lakers, just out of spite.

[bigegypt0417]

Ball has too much baggage for my taste.

Ball the basketball player and individual has not shown any hint of "baggage" and I'd imagine that his dad will fade in to the background once his son has all his deals in place.

If the sixers don't want Ball then they should be working to trade out of that spot.

[bigegypt0417]

so thoughts on the sixers trading the 3rd pick to Sacramento for 5&10?

[rkeden]

There are a great many star players in the NBA who were drafted considerably below the #3 spot. I love the idea of getting two players in the top 10 and, in essence, doubling our chances of finding a jewel. This is even more relevant to this draft where the players from 2 through 10 are unable by the 1000s of "experts" to be placed in any credible order of potential. I have read reports that the perceived #10, Frank Ntilikina--the guard from France, may ultimately be the best player in this year's draft. The cost is dropping from 3 to 5 and the dividend is gaining the 10. I would jump at this opportunity if it presents itself.

[phillychuck]

Agree. If Sac wants to jump up for Fox (as is the rumor) you would get one of Tatum/Jackson/Monk/Smith at #5 and probably one of Isaac/Ntilikina/Mitchell/Markannen at #10.

That's a pretty good haul for Fox.

[bkeich]

so thoughts on the sixers trading the 3rd pick to Sacramento for 5&10?

In a second. That would be a steal.

My guess is the offer would be closer to #5 and a player or two that have moderate but not high value.

[bigegypt0417]

I add a second or two...

[Squire]

I don't know. I'm starting to think Fox is the clear #3 for the Sixers after Fultz and Ball. It's a tough call. I guess it would be Isaac and Ntikilina or maybe DSJ and like Markanan. I like the 8-12 guys on the Sixers already. Especially if you add Korkmasz and think about next years picks. It may be more valuable to the Sixers just to get "their guy" at 3

[bkeich]

I add a second or two...

Second round picks are worth almost nothing in the NBA. They are often traded for just cash on draft day. You can find players in the second round, but the vast majority of them become nothing. I dont think they are really valued at all, they are often "throw ins" so that players are not traded for nothing, which of course would not be allowed. Kinda shows how badly the Sixers screwed up Noel's value this year.

[bigegypt0417]

Sixers don't need to give up much value since the 3 has significant value.

[phillychuck]

I believe the "second" referred to here was a unit of time, not a second round pick. You said "in a second" and Squire was responding that he'd take longer to make this decision.

Whether you'd do this depends on your evaluation of who you intend to pick at #3 (Jackson, Ball, Fox, etc.). If you have those guys in the same tier or having the same general value to the team as Smith/Tatum/Monk/Isaac you do the trade. #10 in this draft is a serious asset.

[bigegypt0417]

I believe the "second" referred to here was a unit of time, not a second round pick. You said "in a second" and Squire was responding that he'd take longer to make this decision.

Whether you'd do this depends on your evaluation of who you intend to pick at #3 (Jackson, Ball, Fox, etc.). If you have those guys in the same tier or having the same general value to the team as Smith/Tatum/Monk/Isaac you do the trade. #10 in this draft is a serious asset.

Sorry, I was replying to bkeich.

[bigegypt0417]

I don't know. I'm starting to think Fox is the clear #3 for the Sixers after Fultz and Ball. It's a tough call. I guess it would be Isaac and Ntikilina or maybe DSJ and like Markanan. I like the 8-12 guys on the Sixers already. Especially if you add Korkmasz and think about next years picks. It may be more valuable to the Sixers just to get "their guy" at 3

The sixers are getting close to the point where they have to trade a player or two. It's a good problem to have as you continue to add premium talent. You still have 2 more firsts next year and then the year after...

[scorcher]

Draft Jackson then sign Jrue Holiday. I've heard this scenario a few times.

[kmc1019]

Great point that Sixers will need to trade some players at some point as they have TOO many picks, and they also will have a cap problem sooner than we would think - hence the trade of Nerlens for nothing in return. Even though Embiid and Simmons have missed so much time, the clock still moves forward on their next contracts which will both likely be massive. Personally, I'd like to dangle the #3 and something else for Paul George, Jimmy Butler, Gordon Heyward or some other proven star with scoring and shooting abilities.

[Lawman]

Analyst on Sixers: 'I don't know how they could pass on Lonzo Ball'

[Austinfan]

Well, I wouldn't say nothing, there are a lot of 1st rd misses and 2nd rd hits:

2016:
36 Malcolm Brogdon
38 Patrick McGaw
2015:
32 Montrezl Harrell
35 Willie Hernangomez
37 Richaun Holmes
40 Josh RIchardson
46 Norman Powell
2014:
39 Jerome Grant
40 Gerald Robinson
41 Nikoa Jokic
45 Dwight Powell
46 Jordan Clarkson
2013:
31 Allan Crabbe
2012:
35 Draymond Green
39 Khtis Middleton
49 Kyle O'Quinn
2011:
38 Chandler Parsons
60 Isaiah Thomas

[bkeich]

Yes, I said that there are players in the 2nd round. But that doesnt counter the fact that these picks are sometimes sold just for cash on draft day. If the Sixers wanted 2 more 2nd round pick they just need to throw some cash around, and I wouldnt be surprised (given the fact that we have 4) if we don't sell a pick. They don't have much value as a pick, now it is possible that you can pick a player that will have some value (certainly there will be some trades made). Look at your list, you average listing 3 players per year out of the 32 picks (I am sure there are more that could be listed, but conversely some of the guys you list are marginal NBA Players, and a couple are stars).

[Austinfan]

All of the players I listed are solid players, there a lot more 2nd rd picks who are back of the roster guys.
But the hit rate in the 1st rd for starters is only in the 30-40% range. They just get more time to show they can't play.

San Antonio has been drafting and stashing 2nd rd Euro picks for decades, now you can send a couple to the D-league to play.
You can only afford 3 "stars", you either fill out your roster with free agents (and look at what "backups" like Henderson and Sergio garner) or late 1st/2nd rd picks at low cost.
And every so often you hit a home run.

If someone wants to sell a 2nd rd pick in the top 45 or so, I'm buying (after 45 the odds get lower).
And I like that BC managed to trade Grant for what turned out to be 3 2nd rd picks plus an upgrade from SA to Atlanta's 2nd rd pick.
Hinkie's first rule: garner as many assets as possible because you are going to miss on your picks

[phillychuck]

This has been pretty well researched by 82games:

http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

The chart halfway down the article is worth perusing.