Minor League Games - Tuesday, August 21, 2018

[kikutaro]

Lehigh Valley IronPigs (76-51) @ Syracuse Chiefs (55-72) 6:35 pm | Gameday
Drew Anderson (8-4, 3.75) vs. Phillips Valdez (5-7, 2.77)

Final
Lehigh Valley 4, Syracuse 2

Notable

Dean Anna 2-5, R
Jesmuel Valentin 0-3, BB, 2 K
Andrew Knapp 1-4, R, RBI, BB, 2 K
Joey Meneses 1-4, BB
Aaron Altherr 1-5, 3 K
Mitch Walding 2-3, 2 BB, K
Danny Ortiz 1-5, R, 2 RBI, HR, 2 K
Drew Anderson 0-2, 2 K

Drew Anderson 6.0 IP, 8H, 2R, 2ER, 1BB, 5K, game score: 57
Mark Leiter Jr. 2.0 IP, 1H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 1K
Tyler Gilbert (W, 2-1), 1.0 IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 0K
Pedro Beato (S, 31), 1.0 IP, 1H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 0K

Reading Fightin Phils (60-65) @ Harrisburg Senators (63-61) 6:30 pm | Gameday
Tyler Viza (2-4, 3.35) vs. Jaron Long (4-8, 3.79)

Cancelled
Reading , Harrisburg

Notable

Tyler Viza 0.0 IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 0K, game score: 40

Dunedin Blue Jays (63-63) @ Clearwater Threshers (69-56) 7:00 pm | Gameday
Connor Eller (7-5, 3.34) vs. Ramon Rosso (5-2, 3.47)

Final
Dunedin 5, Clearwater 1

Notable

Pedro Florimon 1-3, R, BB, 2 K
Daniel Brito 1-2, 2B, 2 BB
Henri Lartigue 1-4, RBI, 2 K
Luke Williams 1-3, 2B, BB
Kyle Martin 0-3, BB, 3 K
Edgar Cabral 0-4, 2 K
Jose Gomez 0-4, 2 K

Ramon Rosso (L, 5-2), 3.1 IP, 8H, 5R, 5ER, 1BB, 5K, game score: 32
Alberto Tirado 2.2 IP, 2H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 3K
Grant Dyer 2.0 IP, 1H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 1K

Lexington Legends (71-53) @ Lakewood BlueClaws (78-48) 7:05 pm | Gameday
J.C. Cloney (2-1, 1.83) vs. Damon Jones (8-7, 3.54)

Final
Lexington 2, Lakewood 1

Notable

Simon Muzziotti 1-4, 2 K
Colby Fitch 0-3, BB, 2 K
Madison Stokes 1-3, R, 3B, BB, K
Gregori Rivero 1-3, 2B, K
Jose Antequera 2-2, RBI, 2 2B, BB

Damon Jones (L, 8-7), 5.0 IP, 3H, 1R, 1ER, 0BB, 5K, game score: 66
Luis Ramirez 2.0 IP, 2H, 1R, 1ER, 3BB, 3K
Luis Carrasco 2.0 IP, 1H, 0R, 0ER, 1BB, 3K

State College Spikes (31-32) @ Williamsport Crosscutters (26-36) 7:05 pm | Gameday
Jacob Schlesener (2-4, 3.48) vs. Francisco Morales (4-3, 5.52)

Final
Williamsport 8, State College 1

Notable

Rafael Marchan 3-5, 2 R, RBI, K, CS
Ben Pelletier 2-4, R, 3 RBI, 2B, HR
Alec Bohm 2-3, R, BB
Jake Holmes 1-3, R, BB
Matt Kroon 1-3, R, BB, K
Jonathan Guzman 1-4, R, 2 K
Seth Lancaster 1-4, 3 RBI, 3B, K
Keudy Bocio 2-4, R, RBI, 2B, K

Francisco Morales (W, 4-3), 6.0 IP, 3H, 1R, 1ER, 2BB, 11K, game score: 68
Randy Alcantara (S, 4), 3.0 IP, 1H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 2K

GCL Braves (19-23) @ GCL Phillies East (24-19) 10:00 am | Gameday
N/A vs. N/A

Final
GCL Phillies East 1, GCL Braves 0

Notable

Jack Zoellner 1-4, 2 K
Jose Rivera 0-3, 2 K
James Smith 2-3

JD Hammer 1.0 IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 0K, game score: 46
Dominic Pipkin 2.0 IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 1BB, 1K
Mark Potter 3.0 IP, 1H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 3K
Eric White (W, 1-0), 3.0 IP, 3H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 3K

GCL Phillies East (29-22) @ GCL Braves (21-29) 12:00 pm | Gameday
N/A vs. N/A

Final
GCL Phillies East 2, GCL Braves 0

Notable

Mitchell Edwards 1-3, R, 2 RBI, HR
Logan Simmons 1-3, 2 K, CS
James Smith 2-3, K

Carlos Francisco 4.0 IP, 1H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 5K, game score: 67
Anton Kuznetsov (W, 1-0), 3.0 IP, 2H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 0K

GCL Tigers East (24-26) @ GCL Phillies West (28-23) 12:00 pm | Gameday
N/A vs. N/A

Final
GCL Tigers East 3, GCL Phillies West 2

Notable

Yerwin Trejo 0-4, 2 K
Luis Garcia 1-3, BB, K
Abrahan Gutierrez 1-4, 2B, K
Stoney O'Brien 1-3, R, 2 RBI, HR, BB
Logan O'Hoppe 2-4, 2B, K
Connor Litton 1-2, BB

Kyle Young 1.0 IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 1K, game score: 47
Victor Vargas (L, 1-4), 5.0 IP, 4H, 2R, 2ER, 0BB, 2K
Adam Cox 2.0 IP, 2H, 1R, 1ER, 1BB, 0K

DSL Phillies Red (28-39) @ DSL Mets1 (44-24) 10:30 am | Gameday
N/A vs. N/A

Final
DSL Mets1 6, DSL Phillies Red 2

Notable

Wilfredo Flores 2-4, R, 3B
Guarner Dipre 0-4, 2 K
Johan Rojas 2-4, K, SB, CS
Jefferson Encarnacion 2-4, R, 2 K

Cristian Hernandez 4.0 IP, 6H, 2R, 2ER, 0BB, 3K, game score: 49
Alexis Araujo (L, 1-1), 2.2 IP, 6H, 4R, 1ER, 0BB, 3K

DSL Mets2 (31-36) @ DSL Phillies White (37-31) 10:30 am | Gameday
N/A vs. N/A

Final
DSL Phillies White 8, DSL Mets2 7

Notable

Jevi Hernandez 1-5, R, RBI, 3B, K
Carlos Mendoza 1-4, R, BB, SB
Cesar Rodriguez 1-4, R, RBI, 2B, BB
Arturo De Freitas 0-4, 3 K
Oscar Gonzalez 1-1, RBI, 2B
Juan Herrera 2-4, R, RBI, 3B, K
Wilbert Garcia 1-4, R, 2B, K
Mani Boekhoudt 2-4, R, RBI, SB
Ellian Rondon 2-4, 2 R, RBI, 2 2B
Albert Jerez 1-3, RBI, BB, CS

Elias Liriano 3.0 IP, 3H, 2R, 1ER, 1BB, 3K, game score: 47
Noelis Moreno 3.0 IP, 1H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 0K
Efrain Morales (BS, 1), 2.0 IP, 7H, 5R, 4ER, 1BB, 4K
Eduar Segovia (W, 1-2), 1.0 IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 1K

(click on the start time for box scores)

[Austinfan]

This kid Potter is huge, 6'6 284, does he have anything?

[California_Dreamin]

Interesting that some are speculating whether or not Alec Bohm can handle Clearwater next year [goodness gracious if he can't] or if he needs to start tje season in Lakewood.

What makes this so interesting...and painful? Bohm was drafted with the 3rd pick. Meanwhile the Giants with the 2nd pick selected catcher Joey Bart, someone that many Phillie phans were hoping for. Right now the Giants are talking about next season and the possibility of moving future HOFer Buster Posey to first base because they believe Bart may be ready for the big leagues in 2019.

Admittedly, this is an incredibly rapid rise and doesn't necessarily reflect badly on Bohm, who most of us wanted and are rooting for. But the very real talk today among Phillie phans is about if/when are they ever going to develop a top of the line [think Soto or Acuna] player and Bohm's struggles so far continue to amplify this.

[phillychuck]

Not relevant to us--we never had a chance to draft Bart.

[California_Dreamin]

The comparison is quite relevant. Both collegiate All-Americans,

[bigegypt0417]

The comparison is quite relevant. Both collegiate All-Americans,

one we could draft and one we couldn't. Bart had a much more glowing scouting report and was closer to polished than Bohm. I think picking two players and comparing them is fun when you take one example that has done well and one that hasn't.

How about Jonathan India?

Develop an Acuna or a Soto?

I don't think you develop those guys.

[phillychuck]

Pelletier 2/4 with a double and a homer. Bohm 2/3 to move over the Mendoza line in WMPT. Francisco Morales with his third consecutive solid start--I think with 57 Ks in 45 IP he's a pretty good prospect despite the relatively high ERA. He's busted two double-digit K games in 6 innings, with 11 today and 10 a month ago vs WVa.

[Austinfan]

Acuna or Altuve are as much luck as scouting, because if anyone knew they could play, they've have been offered a lot more money.

Soto got $1.5M which is top 20 but not top 5 money.

Sixto got $10K, Medina $70K, so we're finding our share of hidden gems.

[California_Dreamin]

PC..earlier in the day several people on this site were discussing whether or not Bohm could start in Clearwater or have to start next season in Lakewood. I then read that the Giants were hoping Joey Bart would start as their catcher in 2019.

Since Bart was picked at #2 and Bohm was selected #3 and both played at major college programs I felt it was certainly relevant to point out what seems an interesting comparison. While we are debating whether or not our #1 pick can start in High A ball, the Giants are hoping their player, picked one spot before Bohm might well start in the big leagues next year.

But I think we are all fooling ourselves if we don't privately wish that just once in a while the Phils might draft a hitter in the 1st round that doesn't seem to struggle or seemingly hit the wall at some point.

[phillychuck]

CD, I guess my point was that while it is an interesting comparison, you can't hold the Phils responsible for not drafting Bart since Bart wasn't available when they picked. Maybe I misread your tone, but I thought you were chiding them.

Choosing Bohm over Madrigal or India is a legitimate complaint if you think at this point either of those two is demonstrably going to be better at the MLB level, but it's probably way too early to know that since Bohm might take longer to develop given that he was splitting time between playing the field and pitching as an amateur.

I think the board consensus right now is that they would prefer Madrigal.

[allentown]

Of course we want to see a Phillies first rounder who excels from his draft year to the majors and arrives quickly in Philly. In part, because we have serious holes to fill. In equal part, because we know the history of sub-optimal Phillies #1 draft picks, including truly primo picks, and need evidence that our scouting problems (or our GM/top brass interference with the scouts problems) are over. It's good that Sal can provide talented pitchers for low bonus $, but the truth is that 2/3 of MLB players come from the draft and that the first round is the richest source of future stars. If you can't do a good job of drafting in the first round, especially in the top half of the first round, then even with money you are unlikely to succeed as a consistently winning franchise. There is a lot of evidence that we've done a very poor job with these draft picks, from the wholly egregious pick of LGJ to the still looking very stupid pick of Cornelius Randolph, to the slow ignition of the career of Moniak. Haseley looks pretty good and of course Nola looks great. Crawford looking a lot iffier than he did a year ago.

I'm not bent out of shape about Bohm. I discount first year stats

I do worry that the Phillies pick guys with primo first round slots, because they say they have great hit skills, and then turn around and try to totally rebuild their approach to hitting -- regardless of what the stats guys say about the value of fly balls and HRs and that swinging for loft delivers same, telling a contact hitter to swing to achieve loft is a very fundamental change in hitting and can be expected to severely impact contact skill. If what you want is outfielders who hit a lot of flyballs, then it's wise to draft guys who have already shown they can do that, and to do that after the first round. This seems the modern equivalent of the old Phillies approach that the guy they loved for speed and D would learn to hit. Generally, they did not learn.

Nothing wrong with tweaking a guys pitching or hitting to correct flaws and improve performance, but this fairly complete remaking of hitters isn't working and I've read little to suggest it should be expected to work any better than it has worked.

Really, given their attitude toward what they got in him and the need to remake him into a guy who hits HRs, it seems utterly absurd to me that the Phillies drafted Randolph with a primo pick -- a guy who was a poor runner, poor fielder, and had shown little power. If they saw him, and developed him, as a great hit tool guy who could be enough of an OBP man to make up for his other shortcomings, then the pick would have made sense. They obviously didn't like the hitter they drafted. If they had liked the hitter he was, then they wouldn't have re-made him.

Look at Randolph's career stats! Before our development staff went to work on him, he put up a .425 OBP and .866 OPS in his draft year. After that, pretty darn pathetic numbers. You tell me why that happened?

[nycphils]

I think the board consensus right now is that they would prefer Madrigal.

Not me; I think Bohm was the right pick. I wish we could have nice things, of course, like a high pick performing out of the gate and consistently...farm would look a lot different if even one of Haseley, Randolph or Moniak was looking like even a sure fire above-Average regular, and if Bohm did wash out that’s pretty bad since we aren’t getting another Top 10pick for a while I believe.

[bigegypt0417]

I think the board consensus right now is that they would prefer Madrigal.

I don't believe there were many in this camp pre-draft.

[allentown]

Not in that camp now.

[Squire]

I'm not in the Madrigal camp now either. But few 2018 high first round guys have performed as badly as Bohm has so far. Its just frustrating that we never seem to get the guy with a marginally seemless transition

[andyb]

I was for picking Bohm also - but the line between him and Madrigal was pretty close. Bohm's power was attractive at a time we had questions about 3B (Franco) and I really thought Madrigal was more of a 2B than a SS.

Still it was close between the two because Madrigal can really hit. There was also a bias against his skillset because he does not draw a lot of walks. That bias was a bit misplaced because the hits are valuable and also if his hit tool is so good, you could project some Dustin Pedroia types of improvement. His high floor was also attractive because of recent top pick struggles.

With Bohm admittedly the first month or two does not mean much. But on the other hand we have to realize this was not a raw, toolsy player. He was one of the more polished hitters in the draft who is projected to hit for both average and power. Bigger questions were about whether he would outgrow 3B. Like it or not, expectations are higher for Top 5 picks. Bohm is supposed to move quickly. He needs to really be at Clearwater at a minimum to start next year and probably needs to be in Reading by midseason. Ideally he does not just get promoted at these places. With his pedigree you really expect 900+ OPS performances because that is what a top 5 college player with power is supposed to do. Madrigal is never going to have the same OPS as Bohm because he has less power, but he is moving quicker and holding his own.

One can like Bohm over Madrigal because of his tools. One can also be a little disappointed in Bohm's progression relative to expectations. Both feelings are pretty logical at this point even if small samples are rarely definitive in a prospect's development.

[phillychuck]

I'm in the wait-and-see camp myself right now, and liked the Bohm pick at the time it was made. I think I might have mis-read the discussions a bit with regard to Madrigal.

I would be fine starting Bohm at Lakewood next year, though, in contrast to many of our other posters. His split focus on pitching and hitting in college has probably put him a bit behind the normal college development curve. Love to see him finish at CLW or Reading...

[zambonir]

They obviously didn't like the hitter they drafted. If they had liked the hitter he was, then they wouldn't have re-made him.

Look at Randolph's career stats! Before our development staff went to work on him, he put up a .425 OBP and .866 OPS in his draft year. After that, pretty darn pathetic numbers. You tell me why that happened?

Randolph wasn't drafted by this regime though. Almaraz, yes. and Jordan hasn't gone anywhere either, but it seems less egregious to me if an entirely overhauled front office (including analytics that didn't exist at the time) viewed him differently than Gillick and Amaro did (honestly, the pick resembles that regime's fondness for guys like Revere and Pierre and Polanco, rather than a fondness for OBP). Now, if you think he could have kept doing what he did in his draft year obviously changing him would be a mistake but one has to assume that they did not. They may well believe that he either had to change/develop more loft or he's not gonna make it (especialy if he has no defensive OF value).

[allentown]

Randolph wasn't drafted by this regime though. Almaraz, yes. and Jordan hasn't gone anywhere

I think you give too much of a pass for the management changes at the top. History doesn't turn on a dime and you start from zero when a key person changes. As you point out, the head of scouting and the head of development have not changed. Even if everybody changed, the new regime has a responsibility to make the most of the guys they inherited and not ruin them. Randolph started his professional career in very fine form. We were all encouraged, although our sails had been trimmed by the news that his D was awful. Really, I think the new guys need a dose of humility. Not every play can, nor should they be in the cookie-cutter mold our stats guys now prefer. Randolph is what he is and deserved to be treated like the guy the prior regime, including Almaraz who was still in his old role, decided was worth a primo draft pick.

It is entirely possible that Randolph wouldn't have performed as well as he moved up the org. His lack of power might have developed into an obvious, gaping hole. The key point is that he hadn't shown signs of failing yet. He didn't show signs of being a bust until the new regime tried to turn him into the sort of hitter he had never been. Great contact swing bastardized in pursuit of loft and power.

[julio]

I think the board consensus right now is that they would prefer Madrigal.

I doubt that there is a board consensus...on this, or much of anything else.

Now, if you mean the consensus among those who insist on forming an opinion (a conclusion?) on the basis of scant data, you may be right..and of course, people reserve the right to adopt an opposite opinion if/when the wind starts blowing the other way. Either way, that's Inspector Lestrade, not Holmes.