Minor League Games - Sunday, July 9, 2017

[Slinging_Southpaw]

See also Jackie Bradley Jr.. No one railed against him harder when there was talk about Hamels going to Boston, than EDmuch. Now he's working on his 3rd consecutive season with an OPS north of .800 and has always been a Gold Glove quality centerfielder.

[allentown]

His being promoted quickly had nothing to do with BA putting him on a pedestal. He is far from the first guy whom the Phillies promoted rapidly because of his glove. To take just the guy everyone is comparing Crawford to, Galvis was pushed through the system very fast, because his glove was MLB quality, even though it was clear that he was promoted well beyond the rate that his development as a hitter and his rate of strength development could support. It is a benefit to a pitching staff to have a plus SS. I think the Phillies look at guys' personalities and decide whether or not they have the make-up to handle some adversity on offense. Tocci was also promoted way ahead of his bat, at least initially, but at the time was our best OF defender. Again, a plus for the pitchers and TPTB thought he could handle the situation mentally.

[Austinfan]

One reason I'm patient with Galvis over someone like Perkins, Galvis got promoted too fast, then bounced around for two years. His three years starting, his hitting has improved each season. So I want to see how he finishes out the year.

Tocci got promoted too fast, then was given time to adjust, now he's breaking out in Reading, still lacks power, but has improved his patience at the plate to the point where he's a credible #2 hitter.

Though I think the whole problem with Crawford has been swing mechanics, he's struggled to put up a .100 ISO at every level until this year, with his size and strength he should have excellent gap power. Luke Williams is a similar issue, re-engineering a swing bullt for contact to also generate power and find a balance between the two.

That's why they call it "player development."

[bigegypt0417]

One reason I'm patient with Galvis over someone like Perkins, Galvis got promoted too fast, then bounced around for two years. His three years starting, his hitting has improved each season. So I want to see how he finishes out the year.

I'm hoping he improves. I'd love to get a couple of prospect for him this offseason...

[Austinfan]

Or for Crawford if he improves.
The decision will probably come down to both players' development, and the offers the Phillies receive for them.

Kingery is different, after this season he's gone from a solid but not special prospect to a blue chip prospect.
No one thought he'd hit .300 with 30 HRs at two different levels, which seems to be where he's headed by the end of the season.
You don't trade blue chips unless someone makes an outrageous offer.
Crawford would have to have a heck of a finish to be seen as a bluechip prospect, he's getting to the age where production matters more than potential.

[bigegypt0417]

Or for Crawford if he improves.
The decision will probably come down to both players' development, and the offers the Phillies receive for them.

No sir...we'll keep the controllable guy and trade the guy in the majors holding his spot. There is no world where we trade an improved top prospect and keep the middle of the road veteran.

[Austinfan]

Of course there is, depends on who offers what for whom.
If someone offered a premier young 3B for Franco and Crawford . . .
Or a #1 caliber starting pitcher . . .

Crawford is not untouchable unless he makes a huge turnaround.
We have plenty of good fielding LA IFs behind him who may turn out as good as the current version of Crawford.
Crawford only has 30 games left this season, not enough time for him to raise his value to bluechip status without a fantastic finish.
He had a .647 OPS last year at Lehigh, .658 this year. That's over 730 PA in AAA with substandard hitting.
At 22 he's no longer a wunderkid.
I'm not giving up on him, but to assume he's better than Galvis is a stretch at this point.

[bigegypt0417]

Crawford is not untouchable unless he makes a huge turnaround.
We have plenty of good fielding LA IFs behind him who may turn out as good as the current version of Crawford.
Crawford only has 30 games left this season, not enough time for him to raise his value to bluechip status without a fantastic finish.
He had a .647 OPS last year at Lehigh, .658 this year. That's over 730 PA in AAA with substandard hitting.
At 22 he's no longer a wunderkid.
I'm not giving up on him, but to assume he's better than Galvis is a stretch at this point.

Again...if you're looking at the entire picture then you're right. If Crawford hits and improves over the rest of the season, I believe we're trading galvis and it's his position in 2018. If you want to use a complete picture then you cant compare him to a player where you're isolating his stats to when they are good.

[zambonir]

If we were able to put up with Freddy Galvis's 2015 season as a 25 year-old, we'll be able to put up with JP Crawford's 2018 season as a 23 year-old. Signing Freddy to a free agent contract would not be a good use of resources, if Crawford flops the next shortstop will be someone else (hey, there's always Machado).