Minor League Games - Monday, August 14, 2017

kikutaro 2017-08-14 03:30:00 UTC #1

Lehigh Valley IronPigs - Off

Reading Fightin Phils - Off

St. Lucie Mets (54-65) @ Clearwater Threshers (61-60) 7:00 pm | Gameday
Andrew Church (8-8, 5.15) vs. Seranthony Dominguez (3-2, 2.47)

Notable

Cornelius Randolph 3-5, R, K
Wilson Garcia 4-4, 2 R, 2 RBI, HR
Edgar Cabral 1-4, R, 2 RBI, 2B, K
Jose Pujols 1-4, R, 3 RBI, HR, 2 K
Carlos Duran 1-3, 2B, BB, K

Seranthony Dominguez (L, 3-3), 3.2 IP, 9H, 6R, 6ER, 4BB, 4K, game score: 16

Lakewood BlueClaws - Off

Williamsport Crosscutters - Off

GCL Phillies (18-10) @ GCL Yankees West (15-15) 11:00 am (continuation of 07/29) | Gameday
N/A vs. N/A

Notable

Kevin Markham 1-5, R, 2 RBI, 3B
Jake Holmes 2-5, 2 R, RBI, 2B
Yahir Gurrola 0-4, R, 2 K
Quincy Nieporte 1-4, 2 R, K
Ben Pelletier 2-4, R, 2 RBI
Brayan Gonzalez 1-3, R, 2 RBI, K
Edwin Rodriguez 1-5, R, 2 RBI, 2B
Kipp Moore 1-2, 2 R
Jesus Henriquez 1-4, R, 2 K

Ethan Lindow 1.0 IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 3K, game score: 49
Robinson Martinez (W, 1-1), 3.0 IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 3BB, 2K
Ben Brown 2.0 IP, 1H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 2K
Rafael Carvajal 2.0 IP, 3H, 0R, 0ER, 0BB, 2K

GCL Phillies (27-16) @ GCL Yankees West (23-18) 12:00 pm | Gameday
N/A vs. N/A

Notable

Keudy Bocio 2-3, 2 R, 2B, K
Yahir Gurrola 2-3, 2 RBI, 2B, SB, CS
Quincy Nieporte 1-2, RBI, BB, K
Rafael Marchan 1-3, 2B

Manuel Silva (W, 5-0), 5.0 IP, 3H, 1R, 1ER, 3BB, 4K, game score: 59
Oscar Marcelino (S, 2), 2.0 IP, 0H, 0R, 0ER, 4BB, 0K

DSL Phillies White (21-13) @ DSL Brewers (13-21) 10:00 am (continuation of 07/12) | Gameday
N/A vs. N/A

Notable

Julio Francisco 0-4, BB, 2 K
Victor Alfonso 0-4, R, BB, 2 K
Yerwin Trejo 1-3, 2 R, 2 BB, 2 SB
Alexito Feliz 0-3, R, BB, 2 K
Jose Tortolero 1-2, 2 RBI, BB, CS
Rusbel Vasquez 2-3, RBI

Bryan Alcala 4.0 IP, 5H, 2R, 0ER, 3BB, 5K, game score: 47
Aldemar Rivas (W, 2-0), 5.0 IP, 2H, 0R, 0ER, 1BB, 5K

DSL Phillies White (36-24) @ DSL Brewers (27-35) 10:30 am | Gameday
N/A vs. N/A

Notable

Julio Francisco 1-2, R, 2B, BB, K
Yerwin Trejo 1-3, 2 RBI, K
Alexito Feliz 2-3, K
Nicolas Torres 2-3

Jean Carlos Valdez 4.0 IP, 5H, 3R, 3ER, 2BB, 5K, game score: 40
Santy Prada (L, 2-2), 2.2 IP, 2H, 1R, 1ER, 2BB, 4K

DSL Mets1 (37-22) @ DSL Phillies Red (27-34) 10:30 am | Gameday
N/A vs. N/A

Notable

Wilbert Garcia 2-5, 2 R, 2 K, SB
Christian Valerio 1-5, 2 R, RBI, K
Edgar Made 2-4, R, 3 RBI, 2B, BB, K, CS
Luis Rojas 1-5, RBI, 2B, K, SB
Jevi Hernandez 2-3, RBI, 2B, BB
Luis Matos 0-2, 2 BB, SB
Maximo De La Rosa 1-3, R, RBI, 2B
Pedro Gonzalez 0-4, 3 K
Luiggi Mujica 1-4, R, 2 K

Juan Santos 5.0 IP, 2H, 2R, 2ER, 2BB, 6K, game score: 62
Eudiver Avendano (BS, 1)(L, 1-4), 1.1 IP, 2H, 4R, 4ER, 2BB, 3K
Abdallah Aris (BS, 2), 1.2 IP, 4H, 1R, 1ER, 1BB, 4K

(click on the start time for box scores)

andyb 2017-08-14 14:32:02 UTC #2

BA on Aaron Brown and his pitching transition.

Squire 2017-08-14 15:08:27 UTC #3

OF Adam Haseley promoted from Williamsport to Lakewood.

bigegypt0417 2017-08-14 15:29:51 UTC #4

Interesting...I wonder if they are just pushing him from a mental toughness standpoint.

Squire 2017-08-14 17:29:35 UTC #5

GCL Phillies wins the continuation game against the GCL Yankees 12-0. Multi-hit games for Holmes, Pelletier and Markham.

SQUIRE

kmc1019 2017-08-14 18:19:20 UTC #6

Haseley has been languishing at Williamsport and I think the hope here is that he and Moniak both push each other and improve. The idea that he and Moniak should be on separate teams to both play CF was kind of dumb from the get-go. Also, if Haseley is not at Clearwater by, say, June of next year, he will look like a poor pick.

In the 20/20 hindsight 2016 re-draft, Nick Senzel is the Phillies pick and Maikel Franco traded this offseason.

It's too early to tell on Moniak obviously, but there is at least a possibility that the Phillies missed in consecutive years with the #1 and #8 overall picks, respectively. Thankfully, Scott Kingery turning in to Dustin Pedroia overnight and Sixto's existence offset this very real and gloomy possibility.

California_Dreamin 2017-08-14 18:33:13 UTC #7

Read a comment last week from one of the sites regular posters [and one I respect and usually agree with] about how I seem to have completely flipped in the last year...from being the organizations biggest defender to one of its larger critics. Truth be told, this is not the case at all BUT as one who was most outspoken about wanting the organizational changes and philosophical changes that I finally got, I admit to some disappointment to this point.

Widely respected ESPN baseball writer, Dave Schofield, just today asked the rhetorical question, "Am I the only one who feels the Phillie rebuild is not going well?" Ahhh, no, Mr. Schofield, I too am feeling that way and have verbalized it here on this site, much to the chagrin of some who remember my almost Pollyannish support of the past management and what I believed were their goals.

My concerns are thus...too many of the young hurlers we counted on seem to either be treading water or drowning right now as they get higher up the system ladder. Our last three #1 picks, all reputed to have outstanding "hit tools" are struggling in the system and two of them are reputed to be feeling tired. As if this tiredness doesn't affect, oh about 1000 other minor leaguers?

Right now, the two best players {Nola and Herrera] both seem to be succeeding NOT because of the coaching they are receiving BUT because they seem to be the two players who have succeeded because they ignore the coaching and choose instead to "do things the way they believe will make them most successful."

I am not a phan of either our manager or pitching coach and have made no bones of the fact I believe neither is the right man at the right time for this current crop of youngsters.

Finally, let me say unequivocally that right now I am still a big phan of both Almaraz and Jordan and am an unabashed believer that Sal is the absolute MVP of the entire system...which begs the question of why he is not given the financial resources to do even more with that MVP rank?

Look, I love this team, love the young players in the system and still hope and yearn for a 3rd strong and lasting run at excellence since I became a phan. But I am also reminded that it is almost the end of the 2017 season and we are on pace for a 60-102 record, a year BEFORE Pat Gillick originally said [and I still love the guy!] the Phils would once again become contenders.

This, then, is my frustration and not that I have suddenly flipped in the way I view the team. I view it the same way, just fell less inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt. Lord knows, I have been doing that since Hunter Pence was dealt to Houston on July 29, 2011. Even for me, 6 years of rose colored glasses shows that those rose colored tints are due for an eyesight checkup.

allentown 2017-08-14 18:57:09 UTC #8

I feel your pain, CD. I agree on just about everything you say here and that you've said since last fall.

The state of the team vs Gillick's date for contention is a BIG issue to me. A BIGGER issue for me is that TPTB give no date for contention and that there just hasn't seemed to be a sense of urgency. Too many market opportunities missed internationally. I just don't see how the new President/GM of a last place team can take a year of pause to evaluate, rather than doing whatever they can to improve the farm/team. The budget was greatly reduced, no need to conserve $ with the Comcast contract, so the excuse that they didn't want to possibly waste money, before evaluating the baseball managerial talent always rung hollow to me.

I think something really did change in Middleton's approach after his sister sued him. The spend whatever it takes to win faded into the rearview window and slow and cautious became the watchwords. Wouldn't want to overspend internationally. Wouldn't want to sign a bad FA multi-year deal or get a multi-year expensive contract from another team.

On the talent front, it's great to see Nola back better than ever and Altherr make a splashy return from injury. Nick Williams has rejuvenated his career and Galvis and Hernandez are establishing their value. The big player disappointments for me -- the ones which set back the rebuild -- are Franco, Joseph, Rupp, Thompson, Eflin although certainly still a lot of hope for the last two. It would be nice if Moniak, Randolph, Haseley were making a bigger splash -- I still have faith there. Ortiz having a nice season and Tocci being the player I thought he could be. Sixto and a lot of young pitchers stepping forward, but Pinto won't be the rotation guy we expected. Crawford has revived his career, Hoskins has shown he is for real. Unfortunately Cozens has faded, but perhaps, like Crawford, he just needs another year at AAA.

I also don't like our manager or pitching coach. It still galls me that the pitching woes were laid at Rupp's feet. Isn't it the pitching coach's responsibility to game plan how the pitchers are going to attack each opposing hitter. It seems this is the coach's failure. A lot of interesting discussion about Samuel as 3B coach.

I also agree with you that the team should be celebrating the year Odubel Herrera is having, not trying to blame all of the team's woes on him. He is a bright spot in a bad year. He, Nola, and Altherr, as well as Galvis and Hernandez, are the season's pluses.

I still want to see a far greater sense of urgency from the owners/management.

bigegypt0417 2017-08-14 18:57:17 UTC #9

We have more available payroll than any team in baseball
We have a system that ranks in the top 5 or so regardless of where you look
We have a LA program that is starting to produce top of the rotation talent
We have players that are now in the bigs from AAA and next year at least 2 more will probably join them

You can be down on the organization all you want but the results of the work over the last number of years is starting to show.

CD...it's ok you went from one extreme to the other but it would be nice if you possibly tried the middle and recognized even if there have been bumps in the road the future is looking better. They are building this team through the farm system and at some point you'll see them spend the money.

bigegypt0417 2017-08-14 19:08:18 UTC #10

Also...if you were to take a look at the season Cornelius Randolph is have in the FSL you'd see he's near the top in quite a few offensive categories.

That is for a player almost 3 years younger than the average FSL player....

Philsmania 2017-08-14 21:26:18 UTC #11

And they win the regularly scheduled game as well. Unfortunately, GCL Blue Jays win too so the GCL Phils only shave a half a game off their lead but only trail by one game.

Philsmania 2017-08-14 21:40:01 UTC #12

It's going to take some patience, folks. I could easily see this team being significantly improved next season. I am not saying that any of these pitchers are as good as Glavine and Smoltz but remember how those two got whacked around like piñatas their first season or more. My point is that sometimes pitchers just have to take their lumps before they succeed. In the starting eight, I see some things coming into focus. Yes, at times it has seemed that our first wave of prospects has stalled if not fizzled. Alfaro has had a tough first year at AAA, like Williams and Crawford did. Unfortunately, he's out of options now so he won't be afforded the luxury of a second year at AAA like those guys had but, at the same time, maybe a light will go on for him like it did for those guys. Thompson has unraveled. But, Lively and Efflin showed something in AAA. Meanwhile, Eickhoff seems to have straightened himself out.

zambonir 2017-08-14 21:55:51 UTC #13

I feel a lot better than I did two months ago. And having the money to spend at the major league level is no small thing. I don't really care what Gillick said (though he also revised his estimate to 2019 before he was done), he was from the old regime. So are Jordan and Sal (and to a lesser extent Almaraz) so if you like those guys, great (if not, you can just as easily blame them for the bad development as you can the major league staff).

This board is so focused on the minors (and this thread is a minor league thread) but if the Phillies are going to get to where the Astros are now or the Cubs were in 2016 it's going to be with five or six key players who aren't currently in the organization (as opposed to the three or four those teams leaned on).

allentown 2017-08-14 22:37:59 UTC #14

If that happens, then 2019 contention certainly is possible.

California_Dreamin 2017-08-14 23:47:36 UTC #15

Clearwater losing again tonight, 1-0, though its early. Why am I mentioning this? Because shortstop Jose Gomez, possibly the best player we picked up in the 4 recent trades, has played 8 games so far since the deal. His record to date...0-8.

Yep, he played 2 rehab games in the GCL and was 0-2 and now has played 6 games in Clearwater and they are currently on a 6 game losing streak. Not necessarily his fault, but gosh, it would be nice if he could finally win his first game in a Phillie uniform. Like tonight!

California_Dreamin 2017-08-15 00:16:55 UTC #16

Well, its still early, but its no longer 1-0. Now 9-0 in the 4th inning. Appears Gomez is about to become 0-9 as a Phillie newcomer.

allentown 2017-08-15 00:26:00 UTC #17

But it's not as easy to buy a team as it was.

fish 2017-08-15 00:43:34 UTC #18

May be more likely that they are close to shutting Moniak down until instructs so his season doesn't end with a disastrous stat line.

bigegypt0417 2017-08-15 01:23:34 UTC #19

you won't need to buy a team.

bigegypt0417 2017-08-15 01:24:09 UTC #20

why is this important?