2017 Trade Deadline Rumors/Speculation/Discussion

[Austinfan]

"A big risk?"

We're talking guys who've had six years in the organization, if at that point you don't feel the urgency to put them on the 40 man roster, odds are they have limited upside.
As far as the A ball guys, most will never be chosen b/c a team can't afford to carry them, Goeddel was close enough to the majors you could hope for a "Herrera" like surprise.
The most likely candidates to be taken are AAAA guys like Stassi and hard throwing pitchers who can be stashed at the back of the bullpen for a year.
Someone like Pullin is a good candidate, but what are the ends he'd stick in ST?

Like I said, it's a consideration, but not a constraint, on possible actions.

[allentown]

We have guys like Tocci, who would be taken and easily stashed as a defensive OF. I don't think Pullin is hard to stash as a 5th OF, emergency 2B, PH.

[zambonir]

To me, it's a big risk to take to trade a guy in July instead of November or at the deadline.

But it's been reported there's "no market" for Joseph. There are not many teams looking for a shortstop. Rupp's not attractive. Even though they offer controllability, they aren't clear upgrades for contending teams. So sure, if you could get good deals for them, avoiding some roster decisions in November would be part of the appeal. But not a reason to make a bad deal.

If the choice is between losing Joseph for nothing and losing Pullin for nothing, it's not a simple choice. If the choice is trading Joseph for two decent prospects vs. trading him for one decent prospect, the net loss is one player regardless of whether it's the trade return or a Rule V exposure. If the Phillies lose two players in the Rule V but then manage to swap Hernandez for a starting pitcher, I'll take it.

And most returned Rule V guys get returned in spring training or very early in the season.

[Squire]

Kinda stunned that there is any interest in Hellickson but really pleased to hear it

[Slinging_Southpaw]

I'm guessing Milwaukee.

[andyb]

Kinda stunned that there is any interest in Hellickson but really pleased to hear it

If he comes free and legitimately the rise in his K rate means he is basically back to the pitcher he has been for close to 8 years. A decent back of the rotation innings eater that is good in the clubhouse.

We won't get much but we'll get something. Scouts don't over-react to SSS performances. Hellickson needs to keep the ball in the park and he'll pitch to a 4.00 ERA for someone. Not guaranteed but if it comes with little salary somebody will give him 2-4 starts to see.

[Squire]

Hope it gets done tonight and doesn't go full Okafor

[LoneStarPhan]

There are several teams likely trying to add a starter. Most if not all seem interested in someone else, but perhaps a GM who was seeking a bigger name might be frustrated in trying to add a Verlander or a Darvish and decide to just bring in a pitcher such as Hellickson. who can be picked up for much less cost, but still take some needed starts. The Blanton pick up by the Phillies worked out great for them and Blanton had a worse record prior to the trade than Hellickson does this year.

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Ryan Lawrence (ryanlawrence21)

[phillychuck]

Phils officially (on the broadcast) said Hellickson was scratched due to "the threat of rain". Hmmmm...

[Squire]

McCarthy really isn't particularly bright.

[zambonir]

Just reading what the media relations handout said, presumably. They're supposed to be independent, but how often do you really see the announcers discuss trade rumors? The Comcast studio guys, sure.

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Todd Zolecki (ToddZolecki)

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Ken Rosenthal (Ken_Rosenthal)

Ken Rosenthal (Ken_Rosenthal)

[Philsmania]

Ken Rosenthal (Ken_Rosenthal)

Ken Rosenthal (Ken_Rosenthal)

The Orioles?! Rosenthal is jumping the shark.

[julio]

Kendrick's a done deal - see the separate thread.

[Philsmania]

Maybe not totally jumping the shark.

[julio]

Wait a minute here... They're rumored to be in talks with the Orioles about Hellickson, and scratched him from his start... and they traded Howie Kendrick at the same time!? I didn't think the Phillies could do that...

[Philsmania]

The Orioles organization isn't the sharpest tool in the shed but it makes no sense for Baltimore to trade for a rental.

[zambonir]

The Orioles are not completely dead, but given how big the wild card pack is they'd have to do more than that. Or they're just trying to look like they are doing something w/o giving up very much (especially if they are selling at the same time). Maybe the Phillies would be getting something unexpected.

Like, what if they were willing to pay some of Hellickson's salary while also taking Ubaldo Jimenez (even if he never pitched in Philadelphia), in exchange for better return?

I guess we can't discount the Klentak/MacPhail/Proefrock connection though I still don't think there's anyone there they really worked with.