GDT 8/18/17 Philadelphia Phillies (Z Eflin) @ San Francisco Giants (M Moore)

[harrisburghusker]

For next year, It would be better for all if Joseph got 500 ABs as an Iron Pig and OPSed 950

[allentown]

Agreed.

[andyb]

For next year, It would be better for all if Joseph got 500 ABs as an Iron Pig and OPSed 950

He has options and there really is not a great 1B coming up from Reading, so the only reason why not would be the 40-man spot over the winter.

Agree that we should have taken $0.50 on the dollar midsummer. The small chance that Joseph would improve to be an average starter was not enough upside for us to wait for. If he were left-handed there would have been more reason to keep him, but he is not.

[allentown]

so the only reason why not would be the 40-man spot over the winter.

I'd drop him from the 40-man.

[zambonir]

nobody was offering even ten cents on the dollar for Joseph at the deadline. Who knows, he may have even cleared August waivers.

[LoneStarPhan]

Yea, I was about to post that they probably were hard pressed to find an offer at all for Joseph in July. He is what he is so far in his career and no team is going to pay much for him.

[andyb]

nobody was offering even ten cents on the dollar for Joseph at the deadline. Who knows, he may have even cleared August waivers.

Not sure we know anything close to that. The team could easily have been clinging to wanting some value back for an inexpensive controllable young player. We can be sure the Phillies did not think the offers were worth it. But there is a cost to keeping someone on the 40 and some cost to holding Hoskins back. They probably were kicking themselves for hesitating on a trade when he was playing well. And then could not bring themselves to accept even less in the end.

[zambonir]

We can both cling to our presumptions. Certainly there is a case to be made that they should have taken anything for him. But they can probably get the same return (i.e. not much) if they DFA him, i.e. about the same as Alec Asher (that trade has still not been completed right?)

It might not even be that bad though. He couldn't fetch a decent prospect at the deadline, but he could fetch a bench player or middle reliever (or be packaged w/ other players, or used to take back someone's bloated salary plus a prospect) in the off-season. He is probably still worth the 40-man spot, whether for trade purposes (if it can't be done before Rule V) or depth.

The fact that he was hitting better in July didn't really trade his value, any more than Rupp's high points changed his. Scouting reports go deeper than that, and in both cases the players' limitations aren't really about their bats, just whether their bats can make up for them.