Phillies Prospect Lists

andyb 2020-02-10 16:34:49 UTC #684

Prospect Week starting on Fangraphs (though this is independent of their individual team lists):

fish 2020-02-10 16:38:01 UTC #685

This one shows off some bat speed.

Austinfan 2020-02-10 16:52:49 UTC #686

Lehigh will be the test for both Moniak and Stephen, though I'd feel better if the ML baseball was used throughout the minors - AAA is a bit distorted, especially later in the season, by pitchers struggling after they get promoted from AA and have to get used to the different baseball.

Dirk41 2020-02-10 16:53:04 UTC #687

This really does.

bigegypt0417 2020-02-11 14:55:14 UTC #688

The Lehigh team this year should be interesting to follow.

andyb 2020-02-12 15:55:40 UTC #689

Fangraphs top 100 (really top 120):

Howard 26
Bohm 56

I think they have always been higher on Howard than some others. They rate his as a 55 prospect rather than 50 for Bohm. Stott is probably near the top of the players that just missed (who are likely 45 prospects). Stott is probably near the top of that because he has a pretty high floor with average tools across the board.

kmc1019 2020-02-12 16:15:12 UTC #690

Re: Top 100 Prospects, the storyline I am most interested in the minors this year is how players like Stott, E Miller and Rojas develop. In optimistic scenario, they all continue to blossom and Phillies have 3 Top 100 prospects next year even after graduating Bohm and Howard. Alternatively, things could go a different direction and the 2021 Top 100 could include all of zero Phillies farmhands.
For a team that has bombed in the draft too often for many of the past 10 drafts, several years of mediocre Latin America/International results could not have come at a worse time. Buying major-league talent is still the most likely path forward in coming offseasons.

fish 2020-02-12 16:29:11 UTC #691

For me it’s that Rojas, Simmons and Baylor or OHoppe need to take steps forward with strong seasons. I feel great about Bohm, Howard and Stott. After that you have to do a whole lot of squinting

bigegypt0417 2020-02-12 16:39:50 UTC #692

Morales, Luis Garcia, Jojo Romero are near the top of my list.

I hope the changes they've made to instruction help some of these high ceiling, low floor prospects.

Francisco Morales to me is a guy who could definitely make a leap.

Squire 2020-02-12 16:51:09 UTC #693

BA Just released their current Farm System Rankings. Phillies came in 26th out of 30

Philadelphia Phillies
Notes:
2019 Midseason: 25 | 2019 Preseason: 23 | 2018: 7 | 2017: 6 | 2016: 8 | 2015: 22 | 2014: 22

2 Top 100 prospects: RHP Spencer Howard (27), 3B Alec Bohm (28)

Notes: Spencer Howard and Alec Bohm could help the big league club in the near future, but Philadelphia’s impact talent drops off pretty quickly after that pair. There are a lot of potential role players and potential bullpen arms, but few regulars or starting pitchers.

fish 2020-02-12 17:51:25 UTC #694

Well if that doesn’t sound like a forecast for another rebuild in 3 years.

Philsmania 2020-02-12 18:06:19 UTC #695

Who was worse, Wolever or Almaraz?

bigegypt0417 2020-02-12 18:11:45 UTC #696

that question can't be answered for a few years...

Squire 2020-02-12 18:21:21 UTC #697

we're currently in year 7 of our 3 year plan....

zambonir 2020-02-12 20:34:33 UTC #698

We kind of resemble the Padres, who went pretty much all-in in 2015 and got nothing from it. But they pivoted more quickly (i.e. tanked again) and are already done with their re-rebuild (or should be), with a much better farm.

andyb 2020-02-12 20:51:23 UTC #699

We could have really used one blowout $100 million dollar year internationally. It was a huge missed opportunity.

Philsmania 2020-02-12 20:53:45 UTC #700

Preller was an idiot back in 2015. Now, he looks smart again. I doubt Klentak gets a chance to redeem himself.

zambonir 2020-02-12 21:04:55 UTC #701

Well, I'm slightly more optimistic, I don't think this team only has 1-2 years to compete. But it could break that way worst-case, either because a few key guys don't work out or because they trade away some future and then don't get the ring.

For this to be a season that gets Klentak (and MacPhail, I'd hope) fired it would have to be as bad as last year and if that's the case at least they'll be able to re-stock the farm a bit as sellers.

bkeich 2020-02-13 01:02:46 UTC #702

Yes, but unfortunately it seems more likely that we are once again a .500-.520 team that is a neutral at the trade deadline and neither buy nor sell. Adding that to a terrible farm system and you have a recipe for the START of a rebuild.

We cashed in our rebuild last offseason, traded away our best prospects from the previous offseason (although they all looked like the shine was off them) and got some “soon to be paid” players.

Now we have 3 above average players (Harper, Nola and Realmuto) who are in their prime and a bunch of OK prices around them, a below average pitching staff and only really one young player to be excited about (Kingery, who frankly, may only be average) and 2 guys in the minors and almost nothing behind them. I am not even sure we are a .500 team in 2-3 years.

This might go down as the worst 7 year rebuild ever. We built from 5th place to 4th In a 5 team division.

I am guessing a Klentak will hold on to his job one more offseason, he did after all sign Harper and acquired 4 All Stars in one offseason, but the results on the field have been uninspiring. It really isn’t clear what the problem is (poor drafting, horrendous international recruiting, bad injury luck)?

Philsmania 2020-02-13 02:47:25 UTC #703

I am in the camp that sees only a two year window of opportunity. We have a bad farm system and a mediocre ML team, exactly where we were in the early '90's. However, Klentak doesn't have Lee Thomas's cleverness and craftiness to wheel and deal his way to a joyride season.